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Post by Garrett on Nov 3, 2004 10:36:52 GMT -8
For Shake check out all the tutorials we have at school in the reference sections! They are pretty good.. only problem is Shake is now on 3.5 and all we have at school in 2.51.. which blows! After Apple bought Nothing Real, OS X became the primary OS for Shake! Ha ha! So a single Shake license on a PC costs something like 10 to 18K!
As far as books go... the only one I have seen that is pretty good is the Apple Pro training series book on Shake. You can find it at the Apple store here in the city. :-) If you like it I can buy it for you at discount.
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pixade
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Post by pixade on Nov 3, 2004 14:15:45 GMT -8
actually we have access to the 4th floor room 400 i believe ... give them ur grad card and u have access to their G5s ... it's for VFX and animation students ... sweet!
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johnb4467
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Post by johnb4467 on Nov 3, 2004 20:30:29 GMT -8
I kinda have a question regarding Shake Garrett...since it has become an all-Mac program, some of my instructors were kinda not sure if they think it's going to still remain such a big program. The use Commotion as a comparison, where I guess when it came out it just blew everything away...but when it got bought out by Pinnacle, hasn't evolved very much & is slowly getting phased out. Just curious if anyone had any info on stuff like that. I assume Apple will continue to advance it like they do Final Cut because of it's mac exclusiveness...but I know a lot of companies only use PC's too....
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Post by Garrett on Nov 4, 2004 9:50:55 GMT -8
Good question... I'm not really too sure. The thing is is Shake is freakin' cheap! It's only $3500 for the (considered by many) world's best compositor! Apple is making very amazing and cheap products based on the quality machines they engineer! I honestly don't think you can find a windows box for the price of a base model PowerMac G5 and get that same level of performance! But maybe my opinion is biased. However, I do thoroughly enjoy the Mac OS by far over Windows. Linux is even better then Windows.. yuck.. windows! As far as Commotion... as far as I know it if a pretty decent rotoscoping tool. I have not used it and really probably never will. I will say the coolest thing about Shake is it's node based architecture. It is purely procedural and stores all of the information in several singular nodes.. and you can "shake" that node out of the tree and remove it from the tree in a non-detructive manor. YOu can then re-insert the node any place you would like. So I think that is cool... granted it takes a while to understand how Shake works, but once you do it is very fast and efficient. (I'm still learning it big time!) As a whole.. if you are a compositor it doesn't matter about the machine you are one, just the software you are using. Now if you want to use Shake.. you can spend 10K on a sweet system with your own RAID storage area (Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Disks) or spend 10K for the application on a Windows or Linux box and then by the hardware. (For more info on RAID this is probably the easiest to understand www.apple.com/xserve/raid/ and to see what levels of RAID are store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/71807/wo/JN4e7VW0OdK93o36AqxgM4DkeaE/0.0.9.1.0.6.13.0.2.1.3.0.5.1.6.1.1.0 The largest question seemed to always be a question of stability. OS X is extremely stable and open sourced. Windows is not, it's just cheap! That's why the larger houses still depend on IRIX, UNIX, SUN and now Xserves for larger render farms. Granted there are a number of houses using Intel Xeon processor based renderfarms, but i don't think mac vs. PC is a large problem anymore. There is very rarely any compatibility issue in file structure. As long as you have same program on either machine... there seems to be no data loss or corruption. In short.. cross-platform environments are not as problematic as we have seen in the past.
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Post by Garrett on Nov 4, 2004 9:52:24 GMT -8
the final link didn't copy in all the way.. just copy and paste that final url in cluding the un-hilighted numbers :-)
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Post by Vince De Quattro on Nov 4, 2004 23:58:38 GMT -8
the fact is, you'll never know what package you'll be working in. the strategy of training on every package you have access to is a sound one.
solid compositing principles will serve you in good stead no matter what package you actually end up using on a show.
so learn the basics i'm throwing at you and you can make a tight composite, whether you do it in flame or a/w composer.
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johnb4467
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Post by johnb4467 on Nov 5, 2004 16:25:02 GMT -8
yeah i'm pretty sad shake is mac only; I would hav enjoyed it on a pc...one of these days I might have to break down and get a mac, but repurchasing software is a big reason for me not to. PC's can work pretty powerfully, but the thing is that there's no way to test effectiveness/stability with every hardware configuration out there...that's the great thing about macs is that there are only a few different base configurations...and limited hardware manufacturers to swap out parts. Mac has opened up that door a bit, and we will have to see if that effects their legendary stability at all...it makes them more marketable...but might cause them to lose their biggest business draw in the vfx industry.
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Post by Vince De Quattro on Nov 11, 2004 16:50:00 GMT -8
yeah i'm pretty sad shake is mac only. shake versions are also released for Windows/NT
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